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		<title>By: Scott</title>
		<link>http://acrlog.org/2008/04/24/sorry-but-you-cant-have-it-all/comment-page-1/#comment-116427</link>
		<dc:creator>Scott</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Mar 2009 04:03:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ve got to agree with Barbara and Amy on this one.  The blog post definitely plays up negative stereotypes and the stated &quot;problems&quot; that gen X and Y have with library directors seems fairly straw-man to me (&quot;oh, they&#039;re so afraid of hard work and an occasional extra bit of work every now and then&quot;).

Our library director does a pretty good job, and though she&#039;s an older generation and works a few extra hours now and again, I think she manages to maintain a decent quality of life and DOESN&#039;T embody the typical dinosaur administrator values.   Some people just don&#039;t particularly want to be administrators, and like many of my generation, the word &quot;administrator&quot; usually makes me think of people who are out-of-touch, scheming, very political who endlessly attend meetings while having no actual clue about anything that actually matters to anyone (except for budgets).  Our director is an exception to the general rule--much to her credit.

When GenX and GenY think of these people as essentially kiss-up, apple-polishers who don&#039;t have an original thought and are constrained to a stultifying career for a few extra shekels and some prestige, then why would they bother to aspire to that?

We know the older generation because they were our parents and teachers and others like them.  The values of extreme &quot;commitment&quot; and &quot;loyalty&quot; might have made sense 50 years ago when the organization gave the same kind of commitment in return to those who worked for them.  But that&#039;s not the case, is it?  Employees are disposable to many organizations, yet they they don&#039;t want employees to think of their organization as disposable in return.  Sorry &quot;leaders,&quot; you don&#039;t get to play it both ways.  If you want rock-solid commitment from your employees then you&#039;ve got to give rock-solid commitment to your employees in return.  It&#039;s a two way street.

In today&#039;s world the talk about these &quot;values&quot; is often just a way to try more out of workers for free.  We understand these euphemisms for what they are.  Also, &quot;a few extra hours&quot; that you speak of are not alien to our generation.  We&#039;re plenty willing to do it if there is a reason, but we&#039;ve learned from experience, too. We got suckered into all of that in the .com startups and know it&#039;s often a euphemism for 80-hour work weeks with no payoff.  Been there, done that. We&#039;re not getting burned on that score again.

To get a little cynical, I bet Enron had some good pep rallies with their workers about loyalty and commitment just before they siphoned off all the hard-earned retirement money.  When your generation has set such a spectacular example in its &quot;leadership,&quot; is it any wonder that many of a younger generation aren&#039;t all that interested in following in your footsteps or doing things the same way and accepting all your ready-made answers?

I hope you get a payoff on that stuff and I&#039;m sure on your deathbeds you&#039;ll heartily regret not spending a lot more hours at work.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve got to agree with Barbara and Amy on this one.  The blog post definitely plays up negative stereotypes and the stated &#8220;problems&#8221; that gen X and Y have with library directors seems fairly straw-man to me (&#8221;oh, they&#8217;re so afraid of hard work and an occasional extra bit of work every now and then&#8221;).</p>
<p>Our library director does a pretty good job, and though she&#8217;s an older generation and works a few extra hours now and again, I think she manages to maintain a decent quality of life and DOESN&#8217;T embody the typical dinosaur administrator values.   Some people just don&#8217;t particularly want to be administrators, and like many of my generation, the word &#8220;administrator&#8221; usually makes me think of people who are out-of-touch, scheming, very political who endlessly attend meetings while having no actual clue about anything that actually matters to anyone (except for budgets).  Our director is an exception to the general rule&#8211;much to her credit.</p>
<p>When GenX and GenY think of these people as essentially kiss-up, apple-polishers who don&#8217;t have an original thought and are constrained to a stultifying career for a few extra shekels and some prestige, then why would they bother to aspire to that?</p>
<p>We know the older generation because they were our parents and teachers and others like them.  The values of extreme &#8220;commitment&#8221; and &#8220;loyalty&#8221; might have made sense 50 years ago when the organization gave the same kind of commitment in return to those who worked for them.  But that&#8217;s not the case, is it?  Employees are disposable to many organizations, yet they they don&#8217;t want employees to think of their organization as disposable in return.  Sorry &#8220;leaders,&#8221; you don&#8217;t get to play it both ways.  If you want rock-solid commitment from your employees then you&#8217;ve got to give rock-solid commitment to your employees in return.  It&#8217;s a two way street.</p>
<p>In today&#8217;s world the talk about these &#8220;values&#8221; is often just a way to try more out of workers for free.  We understand these euphemisms for what they are.  Also, &#8220;a few extra hours&#8221; that you speak of are not alien to our generation.  We&#8217;re plenty willing to do it if there is a reason, but we&#8217;ve learned from experience, too. We got suckered into all of that in the .com startups and know it&#8217;s often a euphemism for 80-hour work weeks with no payoff.  Been there, done that. We&#8217;re not getting burned on that score again.</p>
<p>To get a little cynical, I bet Enron had some good pep rallies with their workers about loyalty and commitment just before they siphoned off all the hard-earned retirement money.  When your generation has set such a spectacular example in its &#8220;leadership,&#8221; is it any wonder that many of a younger generation aren&#8217;t all that interested in following in your footsteps or doing things the same way and accepting all your ready-made answers?</p>
<p>I hope you get a payoff on that stuff and I&#8217;m sure on your deathbeds you&#8217;ll heartily regret not spending a lot more hours at work.</p>
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		<title>By: Jennifer</title>
		<link>http://acrlog.org/2008/04/24/sorry-but-you-cant-have-it-all/comment-page-1/#comment-111622</link>
		<dc:creator>Jennifer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Jan 2009 05:04:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have been I Librarian for about six years now and have been a library manager and I still get asked &quot;Do you get paid for being a librarian?&quot; and &quot;Do you need a degree?&quot; I believe part of the reason that people in general do not wish to move up the corporate ladder is the lack of pay, conditions and general respect that &#039;Librarians&#039; are given by the community. Why would we be a library manager or director if we get little more pay and conditions that an assistant would and a great deal more responsibility. 

AND don&#039;t get me started on library &#039;directors&#039; who were put into the position with qualifications in business or another completely unrelated area and then have no idea what it is a library actually does and tries to run it like a business.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have been I Librarian for about six years now and have been a library manager and I still get asked &#8220;Do you get paid for being a librarian?&#8221; and &#8220;Do you need a degree?&#8221; I believe part of the reason that people in general do not wish to move up the corporate ladder is the lack of pay, conditions and general respect that &#8216;Librarians&#8217; are given by the community. Why would we be a library manager or director if we get little more pay and conditions that an assistant would and a great deal more responsibility. </p>
<p>AND don&#8217;t get me started on library &#8216;directors&#8217; who were put into the position with qualifications in business or another completely unrelated area and then have no idea what it is a library actually does and tries to run it like a business.</p>
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		<title>By: Ameet Doshi</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ameet Doshi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 May 2008 16:02:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Barbara, you make a good point here: &quot;[q]uite often directors seem to belong to a club where they talk to each other more than to librarians who might someday be among them.&quot;

During my first position as a resident librarian, I recall my library dean (and other administrators) often dropping by to say a few words. Sometimes these visits were related to my job, but often he would stop to just say hello. 

As a new librarian, and a new member of the academy, I was simply honored that he would take a few moments out of his busy day to drop in. Perhaps, in addition to the requisite management skills, library leadership should make a proactive effort to reduce the formalities which can create real (or imagined) barriers between administration and younger faculty.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Barbara, you make a good point here: &#8220;[q]uite often directors seem to belong to a club where they talk to each other more than to librarians who might someday be among them.&#8221;</p>
<p>During my first position as a resident librarian, I recall my library dean (and other administrators) often dropping by to say a few words. Sometimes these visits were related to my job, but often he would stop to just say hello. </p>
<p>As a new librarian, and a new member of the academy, I was simply honored that he would take a few moments out of his busy day to drop in. Perhaps, in addition to the requisite management skills, library leadership should make a proactive effort to reduce the formalities which can create real (or imagined) barriers between administration and younger faculty.</p>
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		<title>By: Amy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Amy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 May 2008 13:28:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am irritated by this post. Many generalizations are made about Gen X and Gen Y (none are favorable). I am Gen Y, and I have a Gen X library director (and she is GREAT).  

My last library position was working full-time at a circulation desk at a law school library until MIDNIGHT each weeknight while getting my MLIS. Sacrifices? YES. Work-life balance? No! 

I think this is just another stab at Gen X and Y.. which has gotten a lot of press lately. I wrote a response in my blog: 

http://ch-ch-chchanginglibrarian.blogspot.com/2008/04/defensive-and-disheartened-about.html</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am irritated by this post. Many generalizations are made about Gen X and Gen Y (none are favorable). I am Gen Y, and I have a Gen X library director (and she is GREAT).  </p>
<p>My last library position was working full-time at a circulation desk at a law school library until MIDNIGHT each weeknight while getting my MLIS. Sacrifices? YES. Work-life balance? No! </p>
<p>I think this is just another stab at Gen X and Y.. which has gotten a lot of press lately. I wrote a response in my blog: </p>
<p><a href="http://ch-ch-chchanginglibrarian.blogspot.com/2008/04/defensive-and-disheartened-about.html" rel="nofollow">http://ch-ch-chchanginglibrarian.blogspot.com/2008/04/defensive-and-disheartened-about.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: Uncontrolled Vocabulary #40 - Don&#8217;t Self-Deprecate Yourself &#124; Uncontrolled Vocabulary</title>
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		<dc:creator>Uncontrolled Vocabulary #40 - Don&#8217;t Self-Deprecate Yourself &#124; Uncontrolled Vocabulary</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 May 2008 03:32:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Sorry But You Can’t Have It All (ACRLog) Do I really want it all? (LISNews.org) But What If I Don&#8217;t Want it All? (Academic [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Sorry But You Can’t Have It All (ACRLog) Do I really want it all? (LISNews.org) But What If I Don&#8217;t Want it All? (Academic [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Episode 40 tonight &#124; Uncontrolled Vocabulary</title>
		<link>http://acrlog.org/2008/04/24/sorry-but-you-cant-have-it-all/comment-page-1/#comment-78461</link>
		<dc:creator>Episode 40 tonight &#124; Uncontrolled Vocabulary</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Apr 2008 10:43:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Nextgens and administratophobia [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Bill Drew</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bill Drew</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Apr 2008 16:26:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I was at that conference and thoroughly enjoyed the talk.  I agree entirely with this quote from your post:

&quot;Here’s my message to those nextgens who diss their director and whose own vision is in conflict with what they see coming out the contemporary’s academic library director’s office: You may be the best person to become a library director; there’s no better way to fulfill your vision of what an academic library can and should be for your community. And if you can do it while creating a better work-life balance for yourself and your next generation of leaders then go out and create some change.&quot;

Change the status quo.  Just because directors in my generation can not make a better balance out of does not mean that nextgen shouldn&#039;t at least try.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was at that conference and thoroughly enjoyed the talk.  I agree entirely with this quote from your post:</p>
<p>&#8220;Here’s my message to those nextgens who diss their director and whose own vision is in conflict with what they see coming out the contemporary’s academic library director’s office: You may be the best person to become a library director; there’s no better way to fulfill your vision of what an academic library can and should be for your community. And if you can do it while creating a better work-life balance for yourself and your next generation of leaders then go out and create some change.&#8221;</p>
<p>Change the status quo.  Just because directors in my generation can not make a better balance out of does not mean that nextgen shouldn&#8217;t at least try.</p>
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		<title>By: Barbara Fister</title>
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		<dc:creator>Barbara Fister</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Apr 2008 15:34:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>We just use &quot;chair.&quot; And it&#039;s musical.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We just use &#8220;chair.&#8221; And it&#8217;s musical.</p>
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		<title>By: T Scott Plutchak</title>
		<link>http://acrlog.org/2008/04/24/sorry-but-you-cant-have-it-all/comment-page-1/#comment-78245</link>
		<dc:creator>T Scott Plutchak</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Apr 2008 15:01:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Eight or nine years ago, the Association of Academic Health Sciences Libraries (AAHSL) started taking the issue of leadership  development very seriously, and I think we&#039;ve been somewhat successful.  Details of the various programs that have been developed can be found here:  http://www.aahsl.org/Applications_Awards_Scholarships/leadership_fellow.cfm

Barbara&#039;s points are very well taken.  Directors need to be visible and engaged and need to be very involved in mentoring in both formal and informal ways.

The other point that I always make in regard to work/life balance is that although I work a lot of hours and that includes some evenings and weekends, the technology we now have at our disposal allows me tremendous freedom as well.  I don&#039;t feel that I have to be in the library every day, and when I&#039;m traveling I always try to work in a bit of sightseeing.  I am passionate about what I do and I think I do a pretty good job, but I also have a rich and varied non-library life.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Eight or nine years ago, the Association of Academic Health Sciences Libraries (AAHSL) started taking the issue of leadership  development very seriously, and I think we&#8217;ve been somewhat successful.  Details of the various programs that have been developed can be found here:  <a href="http://www.aahsl.org/Applications_Awards_Scholarships/leadership_fellow.cfm" rel="nofollow">http://www.aahsl.org/Applications_Awards_Scholarships/leadership_fellow.cfm</a></p>
<p>Barbara&#8217;s points are very well taken.  Directors need to be visible and engaged and need to be very involved in mentoring in both formal and informal ways.</p>
<p>The other point that I always make in regard to work/life balance is that although I work a lot of hours and that includes some evenings and weekends, the technology we now have at our disposal allows me tremendous freedom as well.  I don&#8217;t feel that I have to be in the library every day, and when I&#8217;m traveling I always try to work in a bit of sightseeing.  I am passionate about what I do and I think I do a pretty good job, but I also have a rich and varied non-library life.</p>
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		<title>By: Marc Meola</title>
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		<dc:creator>Marc Meola</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Apr 2008 14:02:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Current &quot;success&quot; wisdom is that you must have a &quot;passion&quot; for what you do.  Maybe I&#039;m too shaped by my GenXness, but I always suspected this is just a big scam to get people to work their asses off.  Also, you can&#039;t choose what you&#039;re passionate about. 

And hey, can&#039;t we say Library Deans and Directors? Some of us still think we&#039;re part of academia.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Current &#8220;success&#8221; wisdom is that you must have a &#8220;passion&#8221; for what you do.  Maybe I&#8217;m too shaped by my GenXness, but I always suspected this is just a big scam to get people to work their asses off.  Also, you can&#8217;t choose what you&#8217;re passionate about. </p>
<p>And hey, can&#8217;t we say Library Deans and Directors? Some of us still think we&#8217;re part of academia.</p>
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